2011-03-28T00:11:31 *** khrm_ has quit IRC 2011-03-28T00:11:53 *** maheshwar has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T00:47:39 *** maheshwar has quit IRC 2011-03-28T01:20:09 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T01:22:04 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T01:22:35 *** khrm has left #setiquest 2011-03-28T01:41:17 *** saksham has quit IRC 2011-03-28T01:44:51 *** Gamegoofs2 has quit IRC 2011-03-28T02:41:02 *** saksham has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T02:48:04 i was searching for the application form for google 2011-03-28T02:48:10 for a long time 2011-03-28T02:48:15 then i remembered 2011-03-28T02:48:23 it's still 27th in most of the world 2011-03-28T02:48:33 :-D 2011-03-28T03:14:05 *** gliese581 has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T03:14:31 *** gliese581 is now known as Guest45494 2011-03-28T04:33:41 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T04:50:03 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T05:06:04 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T05:09:16 *** saksham has quit IRC 2011-03-28T05:11:27 *** saksham has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T05:12:40 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T05:13:38 *** saksham has quit IRC 2011-03-28T05:15:31 *** saksham has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T05:22:27 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-03-28T06:04:12 *** alesis-novik has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T06:21:29 *** alesis-novik has quit IRC 2011-03-28T07:01:49 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T07:02:28 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T07:13:27 *** saksham has quit IRC 2011-03-28T07:17:09 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T07:27:22 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T07:27:47 *** saksham has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T07:41:41 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T07:48:30 *** khrm has left #setiquest 2011-03-28T08:16:20 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-03-28T10:40:48 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T11:13:46 *** rand6 has quit IRC 2011-03-28T11:24:28 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-03-28T12:16:15 *** saksham has quit IRC 2011-03-28T12:17:03 *** saksham has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T12:33:17 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T13:09:16 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T14:00:11 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T14:47:59 *** Gabriel_ has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T14:48:21 *** Gabriel_ has quit IRC 2011-03-28T15:13:23 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T15:19:10 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T15:32:48 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T15:46:24 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-03-28T16:06:42 *** khrm1 has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T16:09:55 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T16:20:37 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T16:41:03 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-03-28T16:43:06 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T16:44:34 *** khrm1 has quit IRC 2011-03-28T16:45:18 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T17:18:10 *** akash has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T17:18:40 Hi 2011-03-28T17:25:04 *** akash has quit IRC 2011-03-28T17:28:30 *** jrseti_ has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T17:36:25 Hi. 2011-03-28T17:41:49 hi 2011-03-28T17:43:44 jrseti_ I have successfully run the sonATA on fedora as I mention it my email here is a screen shot of the three sessions: http://i53.tinypic.com/15gb5sx.png 2011-03-28T17:44:34 This is great! 2011-03-28T17:44:46 Congratulations! 2011-03-28T17:47:16 Do you think there is any change we can make the install easier? 2011-03-28T17:47:49 Yes. 2011-03-28T17:48:36 One of the thing is that we should have use a root directory ./configure 2011-03-28T17:48:59 yes 2011-03-28T17:49:06 But still this method will remain troublesome. 2011-03-28T17:49:18 yes 2011-03-28T17:49:21 I think we move from autotools to cmake. 2011-03-28T17:49:31 yes 2011-03-28T17:50:09 Autotools are quite difficult to learn. 2011-03-28T17:50:21 Thats their biggest disadvantage. 2011-03-28T17:51:16 Also if we ever try to port it to other OS it will rewriting from scratch. 2011-03-28T17:51:35 Its not that autotools are not crossplatform. 2011-03-28T17:52:00 But that it takes too much time and have steep learning curve. 2011-03-28T17:52:16 khrm, ever tried scons ? 2011-03-28T17:52:21 No. 2011-03-28T17:52:29 But I have used them. 2011-03-28T17:52:42 it's pretty easy if you know python 2011-03-28T17:52:47 Yes. 2011-03-28T17:53:24 porting big infrastructure to another build system is rarely worth it 2011-03-28T17:53:46 hi jrseti 2011-03-28T17:53:56 But in this case , autotools are not detecting libraries correctly. 2011-03-28T17:54:29 Question: is SonATA considered a large project? 2011-03-28T17:54:45 Not such a large till now. 2011-03-28T17:54:45 my sonata prob still remains... dx1000 is not working...packets are not being receieved...data communication error 2011-03-28T17:55:02 Or is it considered to have a big infrastructure? 2011-03-28T17:55:15 It has a big infrastructure, 2011-03-28T17:55:37 yes i think it does 2011-03-28T17:55:53 saksham: I do need to make a video. I'll try to get to it today. Maybe that will help? 2011-03-28T17:55:54 just count the number of makefiles 2011-03-28T17:56:28 i think maybe i need to install something extra... that opensuse is missing... 2011-03-28T17:56:59 *** Gabriel__ has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T17:57:21 *** Gabriel__ has left #setiquest 2011-03-28T17:57:40 saksham: When I wrote the install/build instructions I started with a new install of OpenSUSE, and I did the "Easy Install" where I did not select any options. 2011-03-28T17:57:52 k 2011-03-28T17:58:29 saksham: I assume you started from an OpenSUSE already installed? 2011-03-28T17:59:19 All: I wrote a new blog today: http://setiquest.org/blog/new-mascot-kozmo-cosmos 2011-03-28T17:59:21 Title: New Mascot! - Kozmo of the Cosmos | setiQuest (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T18:00:56 *** GabiB has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T18:01:07 93 make files most of them following same structure. 2011-03-28T18:01:20 And some are quite buggy. 2011-03-28T18:02:03 In mycase ./reconfig was not able to set libmysql_r path corrrectly. 2011-03-28T18:02:42 OK, I agree, there are a lot of makefiles. They all really need to be looked at 2011-03-28T18:02:51 And make was giving linker error. 2011-03-28T18:03:56 There can be two way use the old system or use a simpler system like cmake. 2011-03-28T18:04:18 Can you send us a list of the things you had to change? Are the changes compatible with the OpenSUSE also? 2011-03-28T18:05:11 better yet submit the changes to github 2011-03-28T18:05:49 jrseti_ Wait I am going away for sometime (10 min hopefully). 2011-03-28T18:06:16 cmake would probably be the best 2011-03-28T18:06:38 I am going away for 1 hour. I'll be back on line after that. 2011-03-28T18:06:45 jrseti_, only if you have enough developers to make this change 2011-03-28T18:07:01 yes 2011-03-28T19:03:13 *** Avinash has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T19:08:01 jrseti - i started from scratch.... fresh install of opensuse. 2011-03-28T19:10:18 OK - I guess I'll have to create a video. Obviously you did something out of order, or I have a mistake in the instructions. 2011-03-28T19:11:45 the data that you see in waterfall display is basically from the vgar sample file? 2011-03-28T19:12:54 why does sonata need the internet then for this? it can simply display the waterfall after analysing the data 2011-03-28T19:14:24 I don't quite understand. SonATA does not need the internet after all data is downloaded. 2011-03-28T19:14:29 also, i was seeing the screenshots... you see a different display each time you run sonata... if the data is only from the sample, how is it different each time? 2011-03-28T19:15:28 jrseti_ What is your email id. 2011-03-28T19:15:41 saksham.bhatla@gmail.com 2011-03-28T19:16:38 I meant to say jrseti_ 's id 2011-03-28T19:16:56 oh i didnt see that 2011-03-28T19:17:03 Good question. The data comes into the dx and channelizers at different speeds depending on what your computer is doing. Also, packets may get dropped because so many packets are running around. 2011-03-28T19:17:22 jrichards@seti.org 2011-03-28T19:18:48 Is there any link where I can read about what the dx and channelizers etc. do in SonATA? 2011-03-28T19:19:35 http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/SonATA 2011-03-28T19:19:36 Title: SonATA - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T19:20:01 This is the log of one activity.: http://paste.ubuntu.com/586512/ 2011-03-28T19:20:07 Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com) 2011-03-28T19:21:19 yes, tht report looks correct 2011-03-28T19:25:31 A better place to get the information about the channelizer and dx is http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Detector_Chain 2011-03-28T19:25:33 Title: Detector Chain - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T19:27:41 jrseti_ I have just send the changes that I made to sonATA configure.in and makefile.am files. 2011-03-28T19:27:55 I saw it, thanks. 2011-03-28T19:28:00 Also I change my sudoer file to yours. 2011-03-28T19:29:44 And I didn't uninstall openjdk as it was causing some dependencies issues with packages. I installed the sun-jdk and set it up as default. 2011-03-28T19:30:32 Well lets continue our previous discussion about cmake and autotools 2011-03-28T19:31:16 I think this might take some time due to less number of developer issue but it can be started 2011-03-28T19:32:11 In fact I have read about many gsoc projects getting merged in main branch after 1-2 years. 2011-03-28T19:33:40 jrseti_ Also as I mention second project can be done after doing first project. 2011-03-28T19:33:46 It will take time. 2011-03-28T19:34:08 But I think a preliminary system can be started. 2011-03-28T19:34:37 in the summer. 2011-03-28T19:41:02 I think the infrastructure and the multiple OS projects should not be combined. You got it working in fedora, but I think there will potentially be more issues with other Linux distributions. AND, the person working on the Linux OS project will have to work with the person working on the infrastructure project. Whatever make system we decide on may need tweaks for different OS types. 2011-03-28T19:41:34 *** Avinash has quit IRC 2011-03-28T19:44:39 jrseti_ So can I submit two proposals? Of course only one will be selected. 2011-03-28T19:46:38 I need to discuss this with Avinash. Please wait on this. 2011-03-28T19:46:48 "The Archiver is the SonATA subsystem that writes science data from the DXs to the disk archive. " 2011-03-28T19:46:59 so the archiver is the vgar file on my computer? 2011-03-28T19:48:02 The archiver creates the waterfall data. 2011-03-28T19:48:49 Where's it stored? 2011-03-28T19:49:13 in the ~/sonata_archive directory 2011-03-28T19:49:37 It'll be containing the intensity value at each freq. for differnt time right? 2011-03-28T19:50:17 What format is the data stored in? 2011-03-28T19:50:21 yes. The intensity is the power of the signal. In the waterfall pictures. 2011-03-28T19:50:29 If i want to read it, and manipulate it 2011-03-28T19:50:44 I should know how to extract info from the archive 2011-03-28T19:51:11 The format: We post the format in the seti data section. Just a minute - I will try to find the link 2011-03-28T19:53:17 and that vgar file is then basically the raw data that's incoming from the telescope? The channelizers are taking that info in packets from the vgar file? 2011-03-28T19:53:54 yes. 2011-03-28T19:54:56 There is some information about the format at http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/SetiData 2011-03-28T19:54:57 Title: SetiData - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T19:55:12 I'll ask Sigblips if there is a more detailed format explanation 2011-03-28T19:59:45 *** khrm has quit IRC 2011-03-28T20:07:12 *** maheshwar has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T20:12:00 *** khrm has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T20:15:48 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-03-28T20:26:48 *** maheshwar has quit IRC 2011-03-28T20:26:52 *** sigblips has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T20:27:11 saksham: the format of the vger data is defined in the file ATADataPacketHeader.h 2011-03-28T20:29:17 At least, this is a definition of the data header. 2011-03-28T21:10:57 *** rbl has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T21:11:20 hi 2011-03-28T21:13:34 hi 2011-03-28T21:19:57 I updated http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Virtual_3D_Antenna_Array_Visualization_Toolkit_Project at the end with the information necessary for downloading the 3D antenna models 2011-03-28T21:19:59 Title: Virtual 3D Antenna Array Visualization Toolkit Project - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T21:22:54 *** maheshwar has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T21:32:52 *** rbl has quit IRC 2011-03-28T21:43:27 It looks like the Gliese 581 bot has returned. I wonder what this new Libertiny GSL bot does? 2011-03-28T21:43:58 We are having a bot invasion. I bow down in front of our new bot overlords. (: 2011-03-28T21:52:09 sigblips, Libertiny is with me 2011-03-28T21:52:16 I'm using it for logs 2011-03-28T21:52:29 good 2011-03-28T21:53:24 http://data.softwareliber.ro/irc-logs/%23setiquest/ 2011-03-28T21:53:25 Title: Index of /irc-logs/#setiquest (at data.softwareliber.ro) 2011-03-28T22:07:22 alinrus Is your trouble solved? 2011-03-28T22:07:51 nop, I'll probably switch to opensuse 11.3 tomorrow 2011-03-28T22:08:55 I don't think the problem is with OS. 2011-03-28T22:09:48 Can you email me your system log? 2011-03-28T22:32:22 http://www.google-melange.com/ Student can register now. 2011-03-28T22:32:23 Title: Home page (at www.google-melange.com) 2011-03-28T22:34:06 khrm, yep and it's now worse than last year 2011-03-28T22:34:33 What is worst? 2011-03-28T22:34:57 well the textarea field is retarded 2011-03-28T22:35:21 messes up formatting of the text 2011-03-28T22:35:45 can't really increase it's width to an acceptable value 2011-03-28T22:36:25 Right 2011-03-28T22:36:36 Are you starting to propose now? 2011-03-28T22:36:59 today or tomorrow 2011-03-28T22:37:17 it's not a good idea to leave it until the end of the application period 2011-03-28T22:37:25 I will discuss further with jrseti_ and Avinash only then will I apply. 2011-03-28T22:37:57 khrm, you can modify your application at any time 2011-03-28T22:38:08 you should start a draft and based on their comments improve it 2011-03-28T22:38:52 Then I will apply tomorrow after the meeting. 2011-03-28T22:39:27 Have you work before in a gsoc? 2011-03-28T22:39:38 This is my first time. 2011-03-28T22:39:45 *** alesis-novik has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T22:48:27 That bot is great alinrus. I hope it is a friendly bot. (: We've wanted a #setiquest logbot for a while now. I've added a link to it in the wiki http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Community_meeting 2011-03-28T22:48:28 Title: Community meeting - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T22:52:20 it is, we are using it to keep logs to a bunch of free software communities in romania, for a couple of years 2011-03-28T22:54:30 *** jrseti_ has quit IRC 2011-03-28T22:56:39 *** jrseti_ has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T22:58:01 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-03-28T23:02:19 one question that I have been willing to ask for quite some time, might be incredibly stupid, but since I'm new here, I believe I am allowed to make a fool out of myself at least once 2011-03-28T23:02:28 speech off 2011-03-28T23:02:41 what's the difference between sonata and seti@home(boinc) 2011-03-28T23:02:42 ? 2011-03-28T23:03:34 SETI@Home is a UC Berkeley project that uses spare CPU cycles to create the world's largest super-computer. 2011-03-28T23:03:48 sorry, I turned off the text to speech on my IRC client 2011-03-28T23:04:14 SonATA is a SETI Institute project that uses a cluster of computers at the Allen Telescope Array (ATA). 2011-03-28T23:05:37 I'm aware of these two facts 2011-03-28T23:05:53 The SETI Institute is sponsoring the setiQuest project which was spawned by Jill Tarters TED 2009 wish. setiQuest wants to tap your spare brain cycles to make the search better. 2011-03-28T23:05:59 I'm not sure what seti@home was computing and thought that there might be some overlap 2011-03-28T23:06:35 ah, so the neurons are the difference 2011-03-28T23:06:36 :) 2011-03-28T23:07:00 SETI@home works on older archived data. SonATA is designed to work on real-time data from the ATA. 2011-03-28T23:09:13 thanks :) 2011-03-28T23:47:59 jrseti_ In which time zone are you living? 2011-03-28T23:48:38 san francisco, PST 2011-03-28T23:51:57 A GSoC related question: 2011-03-28T23:53:13 can anyone give a link for the 4 necessary algorithms mentioned in the "Open Sourcing of Exploratory Techniques..." idea? 2011-03-28T23:54:23 http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Open_Sourcing_of_Exploratory_Techniques_for_the_SETI_Search 2011-03-28T23:54:24 Title: Open Sourcing of Exploratory Techniques for the SETI Search - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) 2011-03-28T23:54:52 ah, I thought a link to the wiki page 2011-03-28T23:54:54 :) 2011-03-28T23:56:07 I tried google'ing, but nothing really came up (or I'm just bad at google'ing)