2011-05-17T00:00:09 ok 2011-05-17T00:00:17 Sigblips: The BackendServer code is not part of the SonATA release 2011-05-17T00:00:35 It's not? Oppps, my mistake. 2011-05-17T00:00:55 The seeker talks to the BackendServer over TCP. The ackendServer code is on the ATA control software side. 2011-05-17T00:01:00 No problem 2011-05-17T00:01:45 I am hoping that this project will help improve the BackendServer code. At least document the interface to it 2011-05-17T00:02:06 ya sure! 2011-05-17T00:02:20 OK, our hour is up! Expect an email from me tomorrow. 2011-05-17T00:02:31 Alrighty. 2011-05-17T00:02:39 great 2011-05-17T00:02:46 i think we got a good start and it will be a real nice experience to work on this 2011-05-17T00:02:53 yes 2011-05-17T00:03:03 It sure will. 2011-05-17T00:03:30 bye! 2011-05-17T00:03:36 bbye 2011-05-17T00:03:42 bye 2011-05-17T00:03:44 bye 2011-05-17T00:03:46 See ya 2011-05-17T00:03:49 *** Gamegoofs2 has left #setiquest 2011-05-17T00:05:43 *** gagan has quit IRC 2011-05-17T00:08:08 *** Pushpa has quit IRC 2011-05-17T01:55:51 *** devon_hillard has quit IRC 2011-05-17T02:23:06 *** davidstrauss has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T02:24:30 *** jrseti_ has quit IRC 2011-05-17T03:48:52 *** davidstrauss has quit IRC 2011-05-17T04:04:26 *** davidstrauss has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T05:30:04 *** Gamegoofs2 has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T05:30:08 *** Gamegoofs2 has left #setiquest 2011-05-17T06:43:03 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T07:48:28 *** sigblips has quit IRC 2011-05-17T07:56:33 *** devon_hillard has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T08:32:06 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-05-17T09:30:13 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T11:53:34 *** Adityab has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T11:59:34 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-05-17T12:29:25 *** Adityab has quit IRC 2011-05-17T12:31:36 *** Adityab has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T13:36:03 *** Adityab has quit IRC 2011-05-17T15:12:30 *** Adityab has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T15:29:44 *** Adityab has quit IRC 2011-05-17T15:31:49 *** Adityab has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T15:32:25 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T16:14:18 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-05-17T17:28:13 *** Adityab has quit IRC 2011-05-17T17:35:21 *** michaelMo has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T17:39:35 *** michaelMo has quit IRC 2011-05-17T17:52:13 *** sigblips has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T18:30:59 *** jrseti_ has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T18:46:21 *** Pranav_rcmas has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T19:02:00 jrseti_: How many Dell PowerEdge C2100's are there? I've seen the numbers 1 and 3 floating around. 2011-05-17T19:23:36 I'll ask John Ross 2011-05-17T19:23:57 Now a question for you. Can you give me the URL for the IRC logs? 2011-05-17T19:25:37 never mind - found it 2011-05-17T19:27:00 Answer: we have 3 C2100's. 2 at hat Creek, one at SETI 2011-05-17T19:33:04 *** nbprashanth has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T19:35:52 Thanks, I'll update the SPR wiki page. 2011-05-17T20:03:09 *** welterde has quit IRC 2011-05-17T20:11:01 *** welterde has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T20:34:46 *** Pranav_rcmas has quit IRC 2011-05-17T20:40:50 *** michaelMo has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T20:46:58 *** robackrman has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T20:57:05 *** Avinash has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T20:59:31 *** jrseti_ has quit IRC 2011-05-17T20:59:58 *** jrseti_ has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T21:00:15 Good morning / afternoon / evening everyone. 2011-05-17T21:00:46 What do we want to discuss today? 2011-05-17T21:00:53 *** nbprashanth has quit IRC 2011-05-17T21:00:57 hello 2011-05-17T21:01:04 Hello sigblips. 2011-05-17T21:01:42 hello 2011-05-17T21:01:48 Status of setiQuest Explorer beta. 2011-05-17T21:02:04 Any updates on the ATA un-hibernation? 2011-05-17T21:02:11 1) setiQuest explorer beta 2) Gamify - jrseti? 2011-05-17T21:02:31 3) open source project updates 2011-05-17T21:02:33 3) GSoC and non-GSoc projects - jrseti? 4) ATA non-hibernation, 2011-05-17T21:02:39 5. API 2011-05-17T21:02:48 (can be part of 2) 2011-05-17T21:02:51 *** nbprashanth has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T21:03:51 Starting with item 1. 2011-05-17T21:04:13 The software and database have been ported to AWS - required for extending beta. 2011-05-17T21:04:41 There are some last loose ends to tie. Francis has got busy with another project, so this is taking time. 2011-05-17T21:05:04 I am not sure how long it is going to take, but I hope no more than a week or two. 2011-05-17T21:05:48 Thanks, just curious and I want to keep the wiki up to date. 2011-05-17T21:06:26 Thanks for your great work on the wiki, sigblips. That has become a very good communication tool. 2011-05-17T21:06:55 Yes, Wiki is great 2011-05-17T21:07:10 agreed 2011-05-17T21:07:49 Item 2) jrseti_ do you want to talk about Gamify? 2011-05-17T21:08:08 I short blogged about it today. 2011-05-17T21:08:11 See http://meta.gamify.com/questions/13/how-would-you-gamify-seti 2011-05-17T21:08:39 THere is a discussion going on. I've read through all the discussions and I am going to start adding my opinions 2011-05-17T21:08:49 Is this a free service or a charge? 2011-05-17T21:09:08 jrseti_ do you want to describe exactly what we are doing there? 2011-05-17T21:09:47 You can read at http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Gamify_Competition 2011-05-17T21:10:05 asically, they have a bunch of gamification experts. They are giving us ideas 2011-05-17T21:10:23 The person with the best ideas gets a prize. 2011-05-17T21:10:33 What does it get over? 2011-05-17T21:10:54 *When 2011-05-17T21:11:00 I'm hoping this will give us ideas for gamifying our citizen science 2011-05-17T21:11:06 Over July 4th 2011-05-17T21:11:31 On the wiki's Special:PopularPages I've noticed that the Gamify Competition page almost has as many hits as the GSoC page. (3175 vs. 3215 views) Wow! 2011-05-17T21:12:29 See http://mashable.com/2011/05/05/seti-gamify/ 2011-05-17T21:12:32 Neat. Anyone got the answer on their business model? Free or charge? 2011-05-17T21:12:57 Theirs is charge, they provide gamification backend services 2011-05-17T21:13:24 Thank you 2011-05-17T21:13:25 No wait - we don't pay anything, do we? 2011-05-17T21:13:38 no 2011-05-17T21:13:55 We can take the ideas and develop games ourselves, outside of Gamify. We pay only if we do the game through Gamify. Right? 2011-05-17T21:14:12 Correct 2011-05-17T21:14:26 That Mashable article explains all the wiki page hits. 2011-05-17T21:14:55 FYI: Gamification is the use of game play mechanics for non-game applications 2011-05-17T21:15:07 For now, I would say we are collecting ideas, and will give prizes to best ideas. After July 4, we will decide what to do. 2011-05-17T21:15:15 ... with those ideas. 2011-05-17T21:15:21 Yes, that is the plan 2011-05-17T21:16:01 Now - Opens source projects? 2011-05-17T21:16:08 Yes. 2011-05-17T21:17:11 1) SonATA Porting with KHRM. Officiall starts Monday, but we have started discussions at http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:SonATA_Porting 2011-05-17T21:17:34 The main project page is http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/SonATA_Porting 2011-05-17T21:18:23 The Telescope Simulator project: We had our first IRC meeting. See http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Telescope_Simulator, a lot going on there 2011-05-17T21:18:59 *** janebird has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T21:19:03 Tomorrow we have our first 3D Antenna project meeting. Project page at http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Virtual_3D_Antenna_Array_Visualization_Toolkit_Project 2011-05-17T21:19:27 Its been keeping me busy 2011-05-17T21:20:14 that is all I have to report for now 2011-05-17T21:20:16 To MichaelMo's point - where does API fit? 2011-05-17T21:20:45 That would be for the Gamification? 2011-05-17T21:20:50 yes 2011-05-17T21:21:06 Also for GalaxyZoo. 2011-05-17T21:21:09 http://setigame.com, too 2011-05-17T21:21:58 To be honest: I don't know! Is Rob involved in the API project? 2011-05-17T21:22:21 Remember I wrote up a beginning spec for the API about 6 months ago 2011-05-17T21:22:32 Let us spend some time on it this week, and report back here next week. OK - jrseti_? OK everyone? 2011-05-17T21:22:39 ok 2011-05-17T21:22:41 ok 2011-05-17T21:22:42 Is this the same sort of API that setiQuest Explorer and/or World of SETI use? 2011-05-17T21:23:20 Or something completely different? 2011-05-17T21:23:38 Yes to the first, not sure about the second because I am not aware of it 2011-05-17T21:23:41 TBD 2011-05-17T21:25:08 still connected? 2011-05-17T21:25:21 Yes. 2011-05-17T21:25:22 Yes. 2011-05-17T21:25:49 Next item - ATA de-hibernation. 2011-05-17T21:26:11 Unfortunately, there is nothing new to report here. Lots of efforts underway, but nothing has borne fruit yet. 2011-05-17T21:26:37 boo! 2011-05-17T21:26:43 Maybe we could have a KQED telethon or have a bake sale? (: 2011-05-17T21:26:49 We hope that we can restart it by July - but that is only a hope not a plan. 2011-05-17T21:27:28 See http://www.artofobama.com/2008/07/18/hope/ 2011-05-17T21:27:45 We already have a KQED telethon type environment. SETI.org website makes the appeal, and give you a chance to donate. 2011-05-17T21:27:46 We should make a poster that replaces Obama's picture with the ATA 2011-05-17T21:28:51 People are donating. But it will take a lot of $25 - $100 donations to come up to 5M. 2011-05-17T21:30:36 I will bring updates when I have them. 2011-05-17T21:31:11 Thanks. 2011-05-17T21:31:31 Can't be - we are done with our agenda items in half the time. 2011-05-17T21:31:53 sigblips - how about all those issues you have been bringing up, and we could not discuss because of time. 2011-05-17T21:32:01 I'm too busy on the Wiki to discuss things with real humans 2011-05-17T21:32:02 We could talk about wiki license, but that's probably more effective offline 2011-05-17T21:32:35 It would be great if the polls had a comments section. That might be difficult though. 2011-05-17T21:32:36 Yes, I agree, offline. We can settle on something, and then bring it up here for community comments. 2011-05-17T21:32:58 We have also talked about giving people points. 2011-05-17T21:33:22 Now that SETI Internship is being used as a badge, can we start the point system? 2011-05-17T21:33:35 But, comments first. 2011-05-17T21:33:41 badge? huh? where? 2011-05-17T21:34:01 On the wiki, under interns, you will see a lot of students. 2011-05-17T21:35:29 not particularly visible from main page. still not found 2011-05-17T21:36:02 *** Adityab has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T21:36:19 http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Interns 2011-05-17T21:37:06 which reminds me, I have to fill up my User: page 2011-05-17T21:37:18 Yes, you do. :-) 2011-05-17T21:37:31 will do right now. 2011-05-17T21:37:47 The question is - can the point systems for wiki and setiquest.org integrate? 2011-05-17T21:38:31 If there is a system like that, let us choose that one. If not, we will have to assign two types of points to every user, and give badges based on a combination of these points. 2011-05-17T21:38:51 What sort of activities would generate points? 2011-05-17T21:39:12 not sure about merging, but it MIGHT be possible 2011-05-17T21:39:19 Good question. I was thinking of the usual things - forum participation, wiki updates, commenting, ... 2011-05-17T21:39:32 And, the big one - open source participation. 2011-05-17T21:40:05 michaelMo - do we have any point system so far? 2011-05-17T21:40:22 not as yet 2011-05-17T21:40:24 If the activity is major then it will be easy enough to manage it manually like with the [[Category:Interns]] 2011-05-17T21:41:58 Maybe the thing to do is to get the wiki points up and running and then, secondarily do the main page and try to integrate 2011-05-17T21:42:25 Is waldir available to help with wikipoints? 2011-05-17T21:42:39 I agree. If the activity is minor then it needs to be automated. 2011-05-17T21:43:37 yeah, otherwise it gets silly 2011-05-17T21:44:05 And, imagine the customer support issues when people start disputing their points. :-) 2011-05-17T21:44:11 The only thing that the wiki does now is keep track of edits in the past 90 days. I'm not sure if number of edits is a good metric. 2011-05-17T21:44:20 Automate it as much as possible. 2011-05-17T21:44:37 Wikipedia uses number of edits. We can too. 2011-05-17T21:45:01 That encourages quantity over quality. 2011-05-17T21:45:21 I agree, but there isn't a huge reward for people to try and subvert the system. 2011-05-17T21:45:45 Again, if it works for wikipedia, it can work for us. 2011-05-17T21:46:13 Agreed 2011-05-17T21:47:10 Shall we get back to Erik's point - poll with comments? 2011-05-17T21:47:28 Michael or anyone else - do you know of a module that allows this? 2011-05-17T21:47:38 sure. 2011-05-17T21:48:09 for the wiki or the main site? 2011-05-17T21:48:20 Main site for now. 2011-05-17T21:48:27 Yeah, there are several 2011-05-17T21:48:43 Shall we migrate to one of those then? 2011-05-17T21:48:56 Assuming that people agree polls with comments are a good idea. 2011-05-17T21:49:02 What are we using now, and what is wrong with it? 2011-05-17T21:49:23 sigblips has been complaining for months now. :-) 2011-05-17T21:49:51 The polls works fine. The idea for a comments section is to encourage conversation with new setiQuest members. 2011-05-17T21:50:26 heh. So the problem is sigblips? There are several ways to go, including a "Comment on this in the forum" link, that might be less awkward 2011-05-17T21:51:05 Yes I am the problem again! Pushing this into the forum section could work well. 2011-05-17T21:51:06 the site is very bloated with features, so I am not eager to add more without removing some others... and that is way fun. 2011-05-17T21:51:39 sure, when a poll question is created, create a matching forum topic and link to it. 2011-05-17T21:51:50 The question has only 2-3 lines of text space. 2011-05-17T21:52:00 Putting a link there would shrink the actual question even more. 2011-05-17T21:52:05 Maybe we can change the size on the pae. 2011-05-17T21:52:09 *page. 2011-05-17T21:52:52 Yeah, well, choices must be made... 2011-05-17T21:53:38 We could show one fewer blog link 2011-05-17T21:53:53 That would actually work well. 2011-05-17T21:54:07 But we would still have to increase the box size for the poll. 2011-05-17T21:54:15 ayup 2011-05-17T21:55:09 michaelMo - because of you I am learning more English expressions. 2011-05-17T21:55:34 ayup = an affirmation used by natives of Maine; confirmation of agreement 2011-05-17T21:56:10 correct 2011-05-17T21:56:12 OK folks - any other left over items from previous meetings? 2011-05-17T21:57:00 Seeing none, we will adjourn. Same time, same place next week. 2011-05-17T21:57:13 ttfn 2011-05-17T21:57:50 michaelMo: ttyl :) 2011-05-17T21:58:02 Bye y'all. Will post transcript in the forum. 2011-05-17T21:58:02 :) 2011-05-17T22:33:19 *** michaelMo has left #setiquest 2011-05-17T22:37:41 *** nbprash has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T22:37:51 *** nbprashanth has quit IRC 2011-05-17T22:38:09 *** janebird has quit IRC 2011-05-17T22:38:53 *** jrseti_ has quit IRC 2011-05-17T22:59:42 *** Gamegoofs2 has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T22:59:58 *** robackrman has quit IRC 2011-05-17T23:04:23 *** nbprash has quit IRC 2011-05-17T23:06:00 Is our wiki accounts separate from our normal setiQuest account? 2011-05-17T23:06:32 Yes they are separate. 2011-05-17T23:06:47 Thanks 2011-05-17T23:07:06 Like two not so parallel universes. (: 2011-05-17T23:07:39 :p 2011-05-17T23:16:50 *** jrseti_ has joined #setiquest 2011-05-17T23:22:53 jrseti_ I edited the wiki for our discussion yesterday. I said I'd push the eclipse project structure to github.