[09:08] *** khrm joined #setiquest. [09:12] *** khrm left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:27] *** khrm joined #setiquest. [09:46] *** khrm left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:04] *** Adityab joined #setiquest. [16:32] *** Adityab_ joined #setiquest. [16:32] *** Adityab left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [16:34] *** Nick change: Adityab_ -> Adityab [16:55] *** devon_hillard joined #setiquest. [17:10] *** Adityab left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [17:10] *** Adityab joined #setiquest. [17:16] *** khrm joined #setiquest. [17:16] *** jrseti_ joined #setiquest. [17:17] *** jrseti_ left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] *** jrseti_ joined #setiquest. [17:20] KHRM: What version of Fedora should I download? [17:21] Can you point me to any special instructions? [17:22] You can download 15 or 14. [17:22] Though the default look and feel of 15 is quite different from 14. [17:23] It uses gnome3 [17:23] is it ok to use the "Live Media" install? [17:24] From http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora [17:24] Title: Fedora Project - Download Fedora and try it. (at fedoraproject.org) [17:24] You can use livecd [17:24] Yes. [17:25] There's option to install. [17:26] OK, I'll download and try it. Are there any special instructions necessary to get SonATA running in Fedora? [17:29] *** khrm left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:37] *** Adityab left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [17:43] *** sigblips joined #setiquest. [17:44] *** khrm joined #setiquest. [17:50] jrseti_ You can use https://github.com/khrm/SonATA/blob/gsoc/gsoc/fed_preins.sh script for that. And then proceed with the install. [17:50] Title: gsoc/fed_preins.sh at gsoc from khrm/SonATA - GitHub (at github.com) [17:51] ok, thanks. [17:52] Also you might have to add alias sudo='sudo env PATH=$PATH' [17:53] Above is necessay in case of debian and ubuntu but in fedora and others it helps if user have somewhat different /etc/sudoers [17:54] Also first add {username} ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL and then run script. [17:55] KHRM: What is the goal after Fedora? [17:56] *** leash joined #setiquest. [17:56] *** Michael1234 joined #setiquest. [17:56] Then you can test out ubuntu. I am going to try 32 bit version. [18:00] It is 11am, time for the weekly IRC meeting [18:00] Hello! [18:00] yay!!! [18:00] hi [18:01] *** Jill_ joined #setiquest. [18:01] we have leash and khrm here also [18:01] how was everybody's weekend? [18:01] My vacation was good [18:01] I took an iPhone programming class in Freemont on Saturday [18:01] Cool, you mentioned that. [18:02] over the weekend we had problems with the SETIstars site, so we extended the challenge - we're very close to goal (in fact we've probably met it when we finish applying donations that came in after hibernation but before site opened) [18:03] We had a lot of donataions after the SETI event a week ago [18:03] I had multiple fails in attempting to install a comment notification upgrade. It made me sad [18:04] Jodie Foster was a featured setiStar last week. [18:04] I've been updating the setiquest main page. A link to Jodie Foster is there [18:04] nice [18:04] I've been tweeting some about setistars, to remind everyone [18:05] agenda? [18:05] Agenda: 1) GSoC, 2) Alysha (leash), 3) Gamify\ [18:05] Larry Niven is this week's featured SETIstar. I have a lot of fond childhood memories reading his Ringworld series. [18:05] Awesome [18:05] 4) Other [18:05] 4) some info on Science Channel in 2012 [18:06] 5) What are the box/triangle tags near the top of the forum? i.e. Diary SETIgirl and mathmysticas.com [18:07] 6) How was Avinash's OSCON presentation? Is there a video link? [18:07] 7) Are there any upcoming SETI events for the wiki calendar? [18:08] OK, start with 1) GSoC. KHRM is on-line. We got Debian working! [18:08] Next, I am now downloading and installing Fedora to test on that [18:08] KHRM is working on Ubuntu [18:08] What was the secret to getting Debian working? [18:08] Yes. And I have written the script for ubuntu and fedora also. [18:08] Sigblips: KHRM can answer that - lots of strange little things [18:09] Khrm: Can you summarize briefly the Debian challenges? [18:09] sigblips First was readMask.cpp that free instead of Tcl_Free [18:10] I have already mentioned that it arises because it uses threaded tcl which is quite strict about this issue. [18:11] On Debian, sudo only uses a hardcoded path by default, we had to adjust for that. [18:11] Earlier it was considered compatible though not now. [18:11] Yes. [18:11] And tclreadline also have to use free and malloc [18:12] And you can't trap SIGILL signal using expect as it is considered unstable. [18:12] SO debian have disabled it and others have not. [18:12] The changes to get Debian to work are small enough that we should be able to provide instructions on what to change if you want to run on Debian [18:14] Thank you for that detailed Debian update. [18:14] jrseti_ We can commit these changes as after committing them it continue working on opensuse also. [18:14] Or we just made those changes via script. [18:14] Yes, I'll work on that. [18:15] I need to sort though it all and commit the right things and we need to document exactly what changes or was added. [18:16] Since it's quite possible that in future OpenSuse and others start using threaded tcl. [18:16] Also I had added a flag without which it cannot be compile in 4.6 gcc which is uses by latest fedora. [18:16] Any questions on this? Or, on to the next topic? [18:17] 2) Alysha [18:18] Alysha (leash) can you comment about Google Analytics? [18:18] What I have seen from this is that the blogs are popular. [18:19] forum too [18:19] This seems obvious, but the forums get more visitors when the posts are recent. [18:19] Within a day at least. [18:19] back to sigblips question of what are those envelope symbols at the top of the forum? [18:20] GOING to look now [18:20] FYI: I posted the latest Google Analytics report at http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Google_Analytics_Report#Google_Analytics_Reports [18:20] Title: Google Analytics Report - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) [18:21] JR or avinash must have added that thingie at the top. Jr, can you comment on the links in the header? [18:21] I did not. [18:21] I thought it was Michael [18:22] Avinash added these things I think. He was trying to attract more attention to my blog. [18:22] I noticed the symbols in the forum a couple weeks ago. I have no idea how something gets tag up there. [18:22] FYI: Searches for "baudline.app" accounted for 7.82% of the visits. [18:22] but the pointers are stale at least for Alysha's - it points to her first blog [18:23] the things at the top are "Primary Menu", which Last Exit was NOT using. Symbols in the forum are just decoration for user friendliness [18:23] Alysha - any extremophile sites in Big Basin? or just the REU students after 4 days? [18:23] :) [18:24] I think it was mostly the students. :) [18:24] How did that mathmysticas .com site get a promoted tag in the forum? It is a religious numerology site. [18:24] I am looking at that right now. [18:25] No idea how that could happen! [18:26] mathmysticas gone. may not be possible to figure out who did it. there are too many folks with admin rights [18:26] Shall i block user Susodpm? His forum post seems to be the culprit [18:27] He does not have admin rights [18:27] that would not have put him in the primary menu. If he is not being abusive, let him play! [18:27] There should be very few with admin rights [18:28] you are correct, young human. [18:29] Looking at the list, there are about 20 [18:29] 20? That is a lot. [18:29] hmm. let's take it offline, but it should be 3 [18:30] OK, I can do that [18:30] Next topic: Gamify [18:30] See http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Gamify_Competition_Results [18:30] Title: Gamify Competition Results - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) [18:31] We got some good ideas. We will need to ponder [18:31] did someone win? [18:32] Yes, see http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Gamify_Competition_Results#The_Winner [18:32] Title: Gamify Competition Results - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) [18:32] ah yes... the word "results" shoulda tipped me off [18:32] I wrote a summary of my talk last week: http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/Jrseti_talk_cedar_amateur_astronomers [18:32] Title: Jrseti talk cedar amateur astronomers - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) [18:34] Next topic: Jill, can you explain Science Channel in 2012 [18:34] i distracted conversation with the envelope topic - we didn't finish with Alysha - what are the next tasks she is going to tackle? [18:35] I have been working on the MWWT layer. [18:35] The Microsoft WWT project turned out to be more complicated than just converting the Google KLM file. We will be meeting together tomorrow to see if we can make progress on this. [18:35] It [18:35] MWWT??? [18:36] Microsoft WorldWide Telescope [18:36] sounds cool... [18:36] It is a lot fancier than Google Sky [18:36] I have made some progress, but the task is very tedious. Hopefully we can think of something by tomorrow. [18:37] and a lot more scientifically useful [18:37] yes [18:37] jrseti - do you need t-shirts for the gamify folks? [18:38] Yes, but I need to hear back from the Gamify guy, he was going to ask them for size info. Or, is it one size fits all? [18:38] we had a long update telecon with TED and Science channel and Galaxy Zoo yesterday [18:39] March 2012 will be “Join the search!” month on the Science Channel (annual after that if it is a hit). Repurposing lots of old programming and producing 4 new hours of programs for 4 Sunday night slots. Discover really wants interactive digital game for this. Extension of setiQuest Explorer??? Gamify ideas for this? [18:40] This could be a big opportunity if we have a game and setiquestExplorer ready to so then [18:41] hmmm. maybe I could get some help on http://setigame.com [18:41] Title: Seek Civilizations on Other Planets | setiGAME (at setigame.com) [18:41] Micheal - what about your game? [18:41] ah you beat me. [18:42] what can I say? It's a framework. Needs a set of waterfalls to look at, a javascript front end, and some fairly easy game logic [18:42] do you mind if i point the Science channel interactive guy to that site, or do you prefer that i make an email introduction to you? [18:42] We need to improve the setiData infrastructure to better support games. [18:42] do you mean real-time or AWS structures? [18:43] sure, point him to the site, explaining it is a framework. I am happy to talk to him. My javascript skills are primitive, so that's where the key help is needed. [18:43] We need to make a database of all the data and created waterfalls and put a REST interface to it so it is easily used by anyone. Right now it is kind of messy with files you have to read. [18:44] that would be good. I suppose I could use dummy data for a while. Kittens or something. [18:44] Michael, maybe you should put out the word for someone in the OS community to help you. [18:44] isn't Josh supposed to process those and put them into the format that comes from SonATA - those would be good dataset to develop against. [18:46] I think the Seti community might be a good place to shout out to. Better to start with a True Believer [18:46] Micheal - watch that 'believe' stuff :-) [18:46] Michael1234: Not kittens but Kzin's ! [18:47] I will not. Believe Believe Believe. [18:47] lol@ sigblips [18:47] i missed the joke (again) [18:48] Kzin was an alien race in Larry Niven's Ringworld series. [18:48] You gotta read more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin [18:48] Title: Kzin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [18:48] this IRC is a real education for me - -- +11 and Kzins :-) [18:48] Kzin's are large cat-like Aliens. [18:49] With guns. [18:49] Shhh. Don't tell my cat, she'll want one. Back on agenda? [18:49] Galaxy Zoo was unable to make the hire they wanted as the project scientist for that development effort. Will readvertise and we should post on setiQuest. TED wants to have something that can launch Feb 28, 2012 - i guess it's not yet impossible. [18:51] Galaxy Zoo has hired one FTE developer. they'd like the project scientist to be in Chicago at least part of the time. [18:51] what's FTE? [18:52] full time equivalent [18:52] = 1 head [18:52] or two half heads, if a kzin has been about [18:52] I thought it was Full Time Engineer [18:52] ymmv [18:52] But Puppeteers have two heads. [18:53] Now stop that. [18:53] May vary by organization and usage [18:53] they are looking for a PhD astronomer who is comfortable with large datasets and wants to do outreach [18:53] 6) How was Avinash's OSCON presentation? Is there a video link? [18:53] I'll ask Aviash. I am seeing him on Thursday [18:54] he didn't mention one, but promised to publish his slide deck [18:54] they had a good crowd [18:56] 7) Are there any upcoming SETI events for the wiki calendar? [18:57] My question is: What calendar? [18:57] Science Channel program in March 2012 sounds like an event. Is this the Discovery network? [18:57] I was gonna ask the same thing... [18:57] http://setiquest.org/wiki/index.php/setiquest_wiki:Current_events [18:57] ask Chris Neller to check on public talk schedules for Seth and me - we could include those [18:57] Title: setiquest wiki:Current events - setiquest wiki (at setiquest.org) [18:58] Please let me know if there is a chance I'll be vidoed. If so i need to get a hair cut and lose 20 pounds. [18:58] oka. I gotta run now. Remind me and I will figure out how to stream that on the froit page. The calendar, I mean, not the haircut [18:59] you might get a lot of page views if it were the haircut! [18:59] bye all! [18:59] *** Michael1234 left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330] [19:00] Avinash used to alert me to forum issues that needed my comments, can Jon or sigblips do that? [19:00] OK [19:00] OK [19:00] thanks, bye [19:00] Seth wants to be alerted also [19:00] *** Jill_ left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:00] FYI: I'll be at SETI Wednesday and Thursday [19:01] bye [19:01] By everybody. I'll post this transcript to the forum. [19:01] *** jrseti_ left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:02] Bye. Going to sleep. [19:02] *** khrm left #setiquest. [19:02] *** leash left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:23] *** sigblips left #setiquest. [19:26] *** devon_hillard left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:43] *** survery joined #setiquest. 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